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Chiara
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the episode, a lot.

The patient of the week was funny, terribly irritating but funny. He reminded me of all those "patients from Hell" my family have told me about, the kind who cannot just nod and do what they're told but feel the irrepressible urge to doubt (doubt fuelled by what their great great aunt/father/significant other/colleague/neighbour told them) every single decision made by people who spent 10+ years of their lives studying the subject. Yep, it is this kind of patient who end up with the now (in)famous acronym APTFRAN (or AOSVRSN in French) written on their file.

I really didn't mind Foreman in this episode, even though it seems I am in the minority. I liked that he was trying to do his job at the best of his capacities and was unapologetic about it. I even appreciated the fact that he solved the case, too late unfortunately for him, thanks to a very House-like epiphany.

House, Wilson and Cuddy... Ah, the eternal bone of contention. I really didn't mind Cuddy and Wilson distrusting House and his sudden perky attitude. After all he has lied a countless number of times before, to his friends, to his colleagues, to the cops, to his superiors, etc. Not necessarily because he is vicious or manipulative, but because he is an addict. To have Wilson and Cuddy spontaneously trust House just because he spent three months without taking narcotics would be if not totally ludicrous, at least way too blindly hopeful : House once used Wilson's prescription pad to get Vicodin, he stole a dead patient's drugs, he put his best friend in a very difficult situation with the police just to get his fix, he cheated his way through rehab... I am going to embrace a very Tritter-ish viewpoint here and am already sorry about it but in addicts' cases, even actions can lie.
Three months is a fantastic start and it has to be encouraged. But there is a Wall of China between being encouraging (which I believe Wilson and Cuddy are) and being too hopeful. Even when they are really decided and genuinely want to stay clean, addicts tend to relapse. Thankfully it is not 100% certain but unfortunately it is close; quite often, it is only after the second or third attempt that real long-lasting stability is achieved. As far as we know, it is House's first serious attempt at being drug-free in almost a decade. For two doctors who have seen him fake before to think that three months is going to do the trick would be, for lack of better word, a tad too optimistic.

PS I cannot wait for Taub to be back. He makes me laugh.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May the Hameron god of love strike me down for saying so but i actually liked the House/Cuddy interaction at Wilson's i thought it was............cute Smile

Overall too much Boreteen, not really worth me staying up til 2am for. I like Hess personally, she's fun to talk to but i really don't like her episodes.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldHamster wrote:
fffaw wrote:
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I assume (unless she has a masochistic streak we've never seen) that he'll end up with neither.


I should certainly hope she kicks his ass to the curb. What he did was wrong on so many different levels.
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Wilson has a godson? Besides House, who else is close enoug to him to make him a godparent? That seemed weird.


Perhaps his brother has kids? That was my first thought.


Help a shiksa out here: Do Jews do the godparent/godchild thing? I always assumed it was strictly a Catholic practice, although I have a ficverse in which Wilson is the godfather of House's kid, but it's an honorary/practical title (as in: He gets the kid if the parents die), not a religious one.



Nope, it's a Jewish thing as well. Boys get God parents at their Bris (circumcision), but as I found out just two days ago, only boys are privy to them.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a Christian Orthodox and we also have godparents (mine is my aunt). They are very important for the baptism (it can't be done without them) and they are supposed to bring presents to their godchildren every Christmas, Easter etc.

As for the episode, didn't watch it yet cause I'm from Greece, but it sounds bad for Foreman. I can't take it, he's my favorite! Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cameron, if you think Foreman would be great in the job, you're more deluded than I already thought you were.

Medically he probably can do the job. The problem is that he is a truly rotten boss. I always thought it would be the other way around but his ego is as big as House's and without justification.

House thinks having his subordinates challenge him is healthy. Foreman can't tolerate it. House staffs his department based on that, Foreman selects his based on who will make his home life happier.

He thinks of himself as the diagnostics genius version 2.0 but, although he actually has become a pretty good diagnostician, he's not a genius. House can get away with "treat then test." Foreman can't.

And I still hate him.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, I hate Foreman. I do admire they way the writers make me hate him though, the sitting in House's chair, touching his Spinning BOUO . They know exactly which buttons to push.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true. Omar is actually very good at playing such an unlikeable character and the writers are great at giving him material that highlights his failings, especially when compared with our damaged hero. It's an interesting contrast: the guy who tries to be liked because he thinks he is just as good as House but nice (yet lacks the real talent and real concern) vs. the guy who doesn't think he can be liked for anything but his gift but has learned to pretend he doesn't care (he has the real talent. but also has more than he knows). I guess that's why they keep going back to Foreman's jerkiness: it makes House more sympathetic.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked this episode overall, though I agree with those who hope Taub will be back, and also those who request/demand more House and less Foreteen. Nevertheless, House in an apron makes up for an awful lot.

But the thing I asked myself a lot, throughout the episode, was where House's music was. It has always provided him with therapy, pleasure, a creative outlet, emotional satisfaction, etc. etc. -- and now he's living away from his piano and guitars, struggling with too much free time and too few distractions from pain/Vicodin, and even being told to seek out hobbies...and he never turns to music? It just felt so odd to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point poet. As I remember, he often had a drink while playing. Don't know if he's supposed to be off all drugs and alcohol or just vicodin, but it would certianly be interesting (and heart-breaking) if he was staying away from music as part of his old life. No, I don't think I can accept that. House must have his musical refuge, mustn't he?

Oh, hope it's ok to shorten your moniker. I'm sooo lazy. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poeia wrote:
House is not the most open or sharing person (understatement of the year.) But there has got to be something between "You can talk to me" and doing a secret blood test followed by the two of them shrieking "You're an addict. You're using again." at the first opportunity.


In real life, I'd totally agree. *g* This felt like shorthand for the purposes of drama to me, though.

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And, can I say, Wilson is *never* going to believe that House is recovering. In fact, I predict that Wilson's inability to trust House pushes House back into addiction. And the whole craziness begins again.


Well, I have no idea what the future will bring, of course, but I saw no sign of that in this episode.

Firstly, Wilson supported him in quitting medicine when he thought it was what House wanted/needed to be healthy - that's probably the biggest possible change/recovery of all. He only confronted House with his suspicions after a whole series of questionable events. And secondly, House entirely expected the urine test bit, and didn't seem exactly devastated by it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boffle, that's a good point -- certainly it seems that House often had piano with a side of Scotch. I hope that what we're seeing is simply a temporary changing of most of his old habits, and that once he feels more stable he eases back into some of the good habits.

Oh, and feel free to shorten my handle -- doesn't bother me a bit. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, was very happy with House quitting at the beginning of the episode – from his perspective there, the environment around him really was pretty unsupporting. Good to see he’s still talking with his therapist and that he’s working to stay “okay.” Loved him in the cooking scene. Makes sense though that House had to go back to work, and that work was what kept his leg from hurting (even in the mental hospital he was trying to diagnose everyone). I could see him working as a consultant to the hospital, held on retainer, but not necessarily employed by PPTH in a department. The only thing that surprised me was the fact that the therapist made House find a hobby that he never had before – we’ve seen him play music, we know he reads, we know he enjoys going to parks. He’s never had a tendency to cook – just eat Wilson’s food.

Foreman is a jerk. As was the patient at first.

Wish Taub didn’t quit – I liked him in this episode. Seeing what asinine treatment 13 had to put up with from Foreman made me like 13 more, but it still makes me wonder what she ever has seen in him.

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Ibuprofen? IBUPROFEN?

Damn it, writers, your show has moved from medical oddity to medical fantasy, or shall we say, medical stupidity.

Come on, stop being so lazy. Look up other non-narcotics and stick it in the storyline. How hard can it be?

Caught this – he could be on one of the many NSAIDs, and rather than have the writers endorse one med or another, including Aspirin (a registered trademark of Bayer), it was just cheaper and easier to say “Ibuprofen.” It’s good that House is still in therapy, and able to talk about the leg, but there’s a missing muscle there, a physiological cause for pain! It just aggravates me that the writers have created this key part of the storyline, but have refused to acknowledge that it’s not just in House’s mind.

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And, can I say, Wilson is *never* going to believe that House is recovering. In fact, I predict that Wilson's inability to trust House pushes House back into addiction. And the whole craziness begins again.

I agree. Part of what made PPTH a bad place for House to return to were Wilson’s and Cuddy’s manipulation and reactions to his physical-based pain. They never believed he was in as much pain as he was. I agree that House had issues and has an addiction, but I also think that these two helped keep him in that as a high functioning addict and were enabling him. It could work to have them as friends still, but I agree that they will never trust him. The only way, imo, that it will work for them to still be friends is if House can develop other friends and relationships, and keep Cuddy and Wilson more as acquaintances.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In trying to elicit sympathy for Thirteen, she made her such an angel of understanding and support that it was totally unbelievable. Nobody would put up with Foreman acting like such a jerk, especially not the Thirteen that I've known and hated for two years. She's supposed to be tough, right?


Do you really think she's not going to react to being fired? I think she's going to - and how. I would be SHOCKED if she didn't.

On another subject: I really love Taub. I'll be very sad if he doesn't come back.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

arizonamyrie wrote:
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Ibuprofen? IBUPROFEN?

Damn it, writers, your show has moved from medical oddity to medical fantasy, or shall we say, medical stupidity.

Come on, stop being so lazy. Look up other non-narcotics and stick it in the storyline. How hard can it be?

Caught this – he could be on one of the many NSAIDs, and rather than have the writers endorse one med or another, including Aspirin (a registered trademark of Bayer), it was just cheaper and easier to say “Ibuprofen.” It’s good that House is still in therapy, and able to talk about the leg, but there’s a missing muscle there, a physiological cause for pain! It just aggravates me that the writers have created this key part of the storyline, but have refused to acknowledge that it’s not just in House’s mind.

I have to admit I had failed at noticing the Ibuprofen bit. And you are all right, it does seem a bit "light" as a treatment for chronic pain.
Yet House's pain, in spite of its undeniably physiological origin, has always been presented, I believe, as mostly psychophysiological. When one is in genuinely terrible pain, as House was during the infarction or as what he said he felt during the episode (he described it as if somebody's shoving nails into his leg), diversion cannot do much to make the feeling go away. Nonetheless, once House started diagnosing again, once he found something to keep his addicted mind busy, his pain almost entirely went away (he could walk without his cane).
This might indicate that from a purely physical point of view, House's pain can be managed or totally erased with "benign" pain killers.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a poet or a fool wrote:
Boffle, that's a good point -- certainly it seems that House often had piano with a side of Scotch.


You are so far off. It's bourbon.


Heeee. I couldn't resist. That's from Frozen. In context, House was showing her his apartment so that she'd undress for the long-distance physical:

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CATE: Back up. How bad is the insomnia? Let me quantify that. Do you drink two or three scotches before passing out in front of the TV?

HOUSE: You are so far off. It's bourbon.
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