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jair- 11-12-2008

I think the lack of cane and helmet were supposed to signal how much he had to screw up his courage and use the momentum to run out the door and then how vulnerable he was when he did. No helmet, no cane, no defenses, no barriers.

Poeia- 11-12-2008

He didn't wear a helmet in Deception, when he gave it to Cameron for the ride to Cynthia Nixon's apartment. But there was a clear reason for him to not wear it that time.

Maryl- 11-12-2008

That was a propane mosquito trap. They've been on the market for a few years now. The propane releases carbon dioxide, and it's mixed with some other chemical, which attracts mosquitoes. They can't resist it, and when they follow the scent and get close to the trap, they get sucked into it by a vacuum, where they are trapped and die. Thanks, I had never heard of that before. The close up shot of the propane tank reminded me of the ACME mail order gizmos in the RoadRunner cartoons.

Ariadne- 11-12-2008

I didn't like that Cameron's included waking up the patient just before surgery to tell him something any idiot would know would upset him enough to scuttle surgery. We know she's compassionate, but that was really silly. Then the next step is to fight House on taking the POTW to the hospital when he has his infarction. Why? Clearly, he's better off at the hospital, which she knew when she agreed to the surgery switch. Getting him there this time does not involve lying--his proxy said yes. He can be transported there in 5 minutes, so he will survive the infarction as House says. I was left thinking, "Why are you doing this, Cameron?" When the plan was to put the patient under to take him to the hospital to do the surgery then, while he's still unconscious, to return him home so that he wakes back home, she was okay with it. Cuddy scuttled that plan and said he had to recover in the hospital to avoid the hospital being sued if he gets an infection (great to see the old Cuddy back!). The patient would have woken up in the recovery room of the hospital. Cameron thought she had to tell the patient of the change in plan both in terms of informed consent and trust, and to avoid him freaking out when he woke up after surgery and stuck there. In spite of the conceit of the show that House is always right, he's not in real life terms. The proxy came later, after this. This the patient had a heart attack and House wouldn't use the paddles so that he would stay in the heart attack and they would be justified in having to take him to the hospital. (Didn't I see this in Izzie/Denny on GA?) The lawyer said yes only while he was without a heartbeat. Cameron revived the patient, which meant House wasn't justified in taking the patient to the hospital any more. House was being House but it was totally unethical withhold the best treatment because he wanted to keep him sickerto justify taking him to the hospital. Doing CPR is not enough. Likewise, replacing his morphine with saline to put him in greater and unnecessary pain in order to get him to consent to going to the hospital was unethical but typical House. Cameron figured out how House works and forestalled it (intellectual conflict!). This was back to Old School House too. There were more ethical dilemmas in this episode than the rest of the season put together. That's why I miss Cameron! Cameron and House should have more scenes together because House nearly always comes off as an adult in those confrontations. That too. I always find it easier to buy House's brilliance when he's acting like an adult. It was nice to see Jesse Spencer acting, period. So glad to have the smart Cuddy back (oh, I already said that.) Good use of all of Kutner ("be honest with the patient"), Taub (letting House know he knows he's manipulating but doing it anyway) and Thirteen (backburnered to snarks). I also liked the insight into House's own lack of consent to his surgery. "Why don't we just operate on his infarction while we're at it?" "I was risking my life not to become a cripple." Today is Armistice Day: 11/11/1918 was the end of WWI. The most affecting tv episode about WWI imho was Goodbyeee, the last episode of Blackadder, Series 4. HL played a wonderfully naive gung-ho lieutenant in that series and that last episode took place during the Third Battle of Ypres. I wondered if there would be some acknowledgement in tonight's House and maybe there was: House mentions "re-enacting the Battle of Ypres" using chlorine gas right after he asks the PoTW if he cleans the tub with bleach and ammonia. Nice catch, Boffle. I cried so hard during that episode. ETA: However, I've yet to be convinced that House really is in love with Cuddy--even secretly--so his retiscence was completely plausible. That was reinforced by Wilson, who said that Cuddy is House's most safe option thus causing his fear that if he can't make it work with her, he can't make it work with anyone. It seemed as if neither Cameron nor House were madly in love with Chase and Cuddy respectively but Cameron was willing to lower her defenses and see where they might go while House wasn't.

NightOwl- 11-12-2008

Thanks, I had never heard of that before. The close up shot of the propane tank reminded me of the ACME mail order gizmos in the RoadRunner cartoons. Yes, it was definitely a generic-looking version of a propane mosquito trap. It looked like a homemade contraption, and it wouldn't surprise me if House dreamed that he'd built his own propane trap instead of buying one! :lol: And it wouldn't surprise me if he actually had made his own trap in real life! (Although I don't think he'd be careless enough to use it indoors in real life.) I knew about that scene ahead of time via spoilers, so I knew it was a dream. But I think that there were clues during the scene that it was a dream: breaking the valve and ignoring it, accidentally turning on the stove and ignoring it, his limp was there but not as pronounced as usual. I absolutely love Hugh's acting in that scene, especially when he turns and stares at both the trap and the stove and just quietly, calmly says, "Huh." It's perfect. And then... explosion. Great acting, great directing, great editing. I'm actually glad they didn't show the explosion in the promos; I think it would have decreased the impact of the scene. I think the lack of cane and helmet were supposed to signal how much he had to screw up his courage and use the momentum to run out the door and then how vulnerable he was when he did. No helmet, no cane, no defenses, no barriers. I totally agree with this, jair. He just had to get out of there and take care of seeing Cuddy. :) The cane is really significant, because even though he limps around the apartment and office without it, it is always in the room with him. In sight, in easy reach. I don't think he has ever left home without the cane.

iamdaffodils- 11-12-2008

I hadn't seen this mentioned yet, but the POTW's lawyer "Larry Wasekus" - that was the same name they used for the unseen lawyer who sued Chase and the hospital in The Mistake. Both eps. written by Peter Blake.

jair- 11-12-2008

When the plan was to put the patient under to take him to the hospital to do the surgery then, while he's still unconscious, to return him home so that he wakes back home, she was okay with it. Cuddy scuttled that plan and said he had to recover in the hospital to avoid the hospital being sued if he gets an infection (great to see the old Cuddy back!). The patient would have woken up in the recovery room of the hospital. Cameron thought she had to tell the patient of the change in plan both in terms of informed consent and trust, and to avoid him freaking out when he woke up after surgery and stuck there. In spite of the conceit of the show that House is always right, he's not in real life terms. I know how the plot went. What I question is the wisdom of waking up an agoraphobic patient you are fooling about whether he's at home or not because he has severe panic attacks, and telling him you've fooled him, just before surgery. Freaking out after surgery, which they could anticipate and take steps about, was less potentially harmful than him going home without surgery and then getting surgery at home. There's nothing wrong at all with informed consent, but once you've committed to a plan as Cameron did, waking him up to tell him he's not at home was silly. His reaction was completely predictable but apparently not to Cameron. The proxy came later, after this. This the patient had a heart attack and House wouldn't use the paddles so that he would stay in the heart attack and they would be justified in having to take him to the hospital. (Didn't I see this in Izzie/Denny on GA?) The lawyer said yes only while he was without a heartbeat. Cameron revived the patient, which meant House wasn't justified in taking the patient to the hospital any more. House was being House but it was totally unethical withhold the best treatment because he wanted to keep him sickerto justify taking him to the hospital. Doing CPR is not enough. I know when the proxy came. And I think House was correct in what he was recommending. The best place for care for the patient was the hospital, as we found out--Chase could not put a pacemaker in at home. Once they had the proxy's permission, they could keep the patient going the five minutes it takes to get to PPTH. They kept Amber going for the fifteen minutes it took to get her to PPTH. I didn't see any flaws in House's logic and I'm not sure where Cameron did. She didn't offer anything of substance once the deed was done and the patient needed critical care he couldn't get. She just tried to make Chase do an operation that would surely be fatal, because she felt badly about her decision. I wasn't sure why she made it, because I do believe Cameron is supposed to be a good physician and there were no ethical issues. It was a judgement call on whether it was for the best to treat the patient on the spot or at the hospital and House made it.

Ariadne- 11-12-2008

but once you've committed to a plan as Cameron did She committed to a different plan. When it got changed, she found she couldn't carry through with the new one without letting the patient know. Continuity on her 'insane moral compass'. It was a judgement call on whether it was for the best to treat the patient on the spot or at the hospital and House made it. It wasn't House's judgment call to make. House had no right to withhold the best treatment available in order to force the patient into doing what he had repeatedly refused to do. It's typical House but it's also against medical ethics. (In real life, CPR longer than you absolutely have to do it is dangerous.) Before Cameron came back on the scene, everyone on the team just sat back and let House get away with whatever he wanted to do. Wrong. And also boring. I'm glad we're talking about ethics again instead of ships.

travlncarrie- 11-12-2008

I hadn't seen this mentioned yet, but the POTW's lawyer "Larry Wasekus" - that was the same name they used for the unseen lawyer who sued Chase and the hospital in The Mistake. Both eps. written by Peter Blake. Wow! How the heck do you remember these things? I feel like such a bad House fan when I'm on the same board as you and Boffle. I'm impressed!

iamdaffodils- 11-12-2008

I think it just says I've seen S1-S3 episodes WAY too many times!!!! And it is an unusual name, stuck out in my mind. Believe me - there's plenty of things I've missed and forgotten :)

LightMyCandle- 11-12-2008

Why Wilson is trying to force this issue, still confuses me. I'd rather see him rebuilding his friendship w/ House than pushing House off on someone else. I don't think it's confusing at all, it's completely IC for Wilson to encourage House to try with Cuddy. Wilson has always encouraged House to have a romantic life, Cameron, Stacy, CIA doc, Cate (kind of) and now Cuddy. The only difference is that unlike with Cameron and Stacy, Wilson apparently doesn't see the need to warn Cuddy not to hurt House, which I look at as a good thing in terms of Huddy itself. I think Wilson and Cuddy trust each other with House, even though they've both screwed up in the past. Wilson and Cuddy's friendship is one of the reasons why I'm okay with Huddy. As much as I ship H/W, I can't argue that it's not consistant with Wilson's character to encourage House to date people. House is the jealous one, not Wilson. I also don't see it as "pushing House off on someone else." I don't think Wilson sees it as an opportunity to get rid of him (he just had that chance, remember?), just as an opportunity for House to open himself up more, to be with other people, and find happiness. Wilson wants House to be happy. Yes, they (annoyingly) mostly skipped over the rebuilding of the H/W friendship, but as far as I can tell, it's rebuilt. House is fine, Wilson's fine, they're fine enough for House to show up at his apartment at 3 in the morning and for Wilson to casually touch him on the back (I don't recall Wilson ever touching House that much).

ixtab- 11-12-2008

House is fine, Wilson's fine, they're fine enough for House to show up at his apartment at 3 in the morning and for Wilson to casually touch him on the back (I don't recall Wilson ever touching House that much). The touching was really surprising because from S1-S4 my perception of Wilson is of someone who is not only guarded emotionally but physically as well. I don't even recall him initiating any type of contact with anyone (Bonnie is the one who kisses him and in "Frozen" is Amber who starts to lean into him). In "Birthmarks" he put his hand on House's shoulder but I kind of dismissed it as Wilson trying to avoid a scene. But here, there's no reason for it, other that he wants to. Which for me, means that Wilson's "Nothing's changed" should be not viewed as a blanket statement. I think there will be little changes. This might be one, Wilson being willing to be more open with House (little touches, here and there). And him turning House away, was also I think a sign of other changes, he listened but he did not allow House to use him to hide.

jair- 11-12-2008

She committed to a different plan. When it got changed, she found she couldn't carry through with the new one without letting the patient know. Continuity on her 'insane moral compass'. The trouble is, the emphasis is on the insane. She's already overridden the issue of informed consent in the interest of his health when she agreed to fool him. So that's not the crux of the matter. And then she wakes him up to tell him they're fooling him and is astonished when he pitches a fit and leaves the hospital. Why was she astonished? It was the easily foreseeable outcome. And the result was they had to do the surgery in a much less safe environment. It wasn't House's judgment call to make. House had no right to withhold the best treatment available in order to force the patient into doing what he had repeatedly refused to do. It's typical House but it's also against medical ethics. It was House's judgement call to make, because the patient really was in critical distress, hence the phonecall to the proxy resulting in leave to go to the hospital. Clearly, the proxy had the right in dire circumstances to give leave to go to the hospital. In this case, going to the hospital was the best choice for this patient rather than reviving him at the house, as was made clear as soon as the patient was revived. He needed a pacemaker and he couldn't get one at home. The five minutes to go to the hospital was safer than reviving him at home but being unable to then give him the care he needs. What was Cameron thinking when she over ruled House? Whatever it was, she wasn't thinking it just minutes later when the patient was revived but needing care he couldn't get. Cameron didn't look to me to be proud of winning that battle. (In real life, CPR longer than you absolutely have to do it is dangerous.) Of course it has risks, but sometimes the risks are worth the big picture and this to me was shown to be one of them. Just as usually one doesn't knock a patient out and sneak him into the hospital. In this case, there was a reason. Before Cameron came back on the scene, everyone on the team just sat back and let House get away with whatever he wanted to do. One of the most common complaints about Thirteen is that she challenges House. But the new team is certainly not yet at the point the old team is with House, and that's fine. There should be a difference. I'm glad we're talking about ethics again instead of ships. There's no lack of ship talk about this episode. :D I found this episode a little obvious and on the nose with the patient stuff and though I certainly didn't dislike Cameron in any way this episode, was still puzzled by two of her main decisions. I liked her stuff with Chase much more, despite the "you were fired" thing. That worked really well.

ikilledkenny- 11-13-2008

I think this episode and birthmarks were the only episodes this season where I wasn't annoyed by anyone. I don't know if this is Peter Blake or just my Chase-got-some-screentime good mood, but I just loved everyone (even the newbies!). I was mostly happy to see Chase/Cameron moving forward. JS and his smile (as well as the sad expressions during the "just a visitor" scene) were killer. And it was lovely that Cameron got a lot of time. I really like the development that she's been running the Community Outreach. I think that's really good for her. I'm liking that too. I wonder if they'll use it in the future or if it was a one time plot device.

jim- 11-13-2008

I enjoyed seeing Cameron and Chase too. The scene in the hospital with Cameron, Chase, an unconscious PotW, Cuddy, and House which ends with House's stigmata comment was so much like an extended family scene with Mom laying down the law and Dad backing her up. The atmosphere around the new team has nothing to compare to it. I didn't mind Cameron's cranky comeback about Chase being fired because she was also reminding him, between the lines, that she had quit House's team in support of him. This episode let everyone move forward and develop except Cuddy. She went backwards. Cameron let Chase have a very big drawer in her bedroom chest of drawers. Taub's wife came to sleep with him on the couch. The agoraphobic PotW took a walk outside in the fresh evening air. House embraced his love and desire for Cuddy although he blocked himself from acting on it. By contrast, Cuddy is left still desperate for a baby but now is unwilling to risk the adoption process. She is blocked and has gone backwards. Add to that her feelings for House, which are as strong as his for her, but she manages to effectively deny the existence of both. This denial protects her hospital, herself, and her possible future with an adopted child. She thinks House would be a terrible parental figure, as does he. But every time I have seen House interact with a child his humanity has glowed. I wonder if Cuddy is heading for a breakdown or blowup?

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