5.06 - Joy

Actually, I enjoyed the episode more than normal. Lately it just seemed to be slow, and the jokes just seemed to be in bad taste. But, tonight flowed well, had some interesting cinematography, and it kept its pace well. Some of the stuff the director did with the camera shattered my concentration a bit, but other than that, a good episode. Good chance of this being LE's emmy ep by the looks of it. And WOW can she act!

He said, "I dunno." There are actually fireworks going off down the street from me in front of the University of Texas Tower. Now, it could be because of the school's 125th anniversary, but I choose to believe it was because everyone was watching House tonight.

Thanks, Chipmunk. Not quite as good as "Not now," I guess, but at least it showed some vulnerability.

Am I the only finding House/Cuddy really creepy after tonight? It's like TPTB are writing an abusive relationship and don't realize it. House came off as not respecting Cuddy as a person at all. He just seemed mean-spirited. Cuddy even calls him on it. And she decides to...kiss him? Right up there with the patient and his daughter in the creepy factor.

This was actually the first ep where I found myself not liking Cuddy very much. I thougt it was very selfish of her to try to talk the girl into waiting to deliver knowing that it was more dangerous for her to do so. She really should have removed herself from the situation. I think that combined with House's super jerkiness and manipulation sapped any chance that I could ever root for them as a couple (and a few seasons back I honestly did). Thirteen and Taub bored as usual. Kutner was cute with his "I'd like psuedonym" though.

Am I the only finding House/Cuddy really creepy after tonight? It's like TPTB are writing an abusive relationship and don't realize it. House came off as not respecting Cuddy as a person at all. He just seemed mean-spirited. Cuddy even calls him on it. And she decides to...kiss him? House threw his tantrum, not because he actually thought she'd suck as a mom, but because he needs to be the center of her attention. And deep down, he really does want her to be happy. He thinks she deserves the best -- and the best for her, in his mind, is not a "crack baby." And he wanted to make her happy later, so he told her probably what he thought she wanted to hear, and what he actually felt. Actually, that's probably how he knew she'd be a great mom: he knows what it's like to have that Cuddy's full attention on him and probably thinks that any kid deserves that. And then the emotions took over, for both of them.

Perhaps I am the only one, but I did not like this episode at all. The way the director filmed it and all of the close ups were weird to me, the POTW was boring, no H/W goodness, and I agree with you NekoCat, I didn't get the kiss. It was an emotional moment, but not passionate emotional...House was being a complete jerk to Cuddy. I don't get any of it.

House threw his tantrum, not because he actually thought she'd suck as a mom, but because he needs to be the center of her attention. And deep down, he really does want her to be happy. He thinks she deserves the best -- and the best for her, in his mind, is not a "crack baby." And he wanted to make her happy later, so he told her probably what he thought she wanted to hear, and what he actually felt. Actually, that's probably how he knew she'd be a great mom: he knows what it's like to have that Cuddy's full attention on him and probably thinks that any kid deserves that. And then the emotions took over, for both of them. It doesn't matter why he threw a tantrum, or what he may or may not want "deep down," he still treated her like crap and rather viciously. I don't remember House ever jerking anyone else around this badly. I don't understand how Cuddy being angry and upset makes her want to kiss him, rather than, oh, slapping him. Which would be much better tension relief. She came off as having self-esteem issues.

Am I the only finding House/Cuddy really creepy after tonight? It's like TPTB are writing an abusive relationship and don't realize it. House came off as not respecting Cuddy as a person at all. He just seemed mean-spirited. Cuddy even calls him on it. And she decides to...kiss him? Right up there with the patient and his daughter in the creepy factor. No, I don't find the House-Cuddy thing creepy at all. Nor do I find the patient and his daughter creepy. Their illness caused them to be indifferent toward each other, toward everything, and toward everyone. Once their meds kicked in and their health started improving, they were able to feel pleasure, able to smile and laugh. I love the contrast that was drawn: The single father with the low-stress, at-home job that ensures he is home most of the time and Cuddy the (potential) single mother with the high-stress hospital job that ensures she is rarely home

It doesn't matter why he threw a tantrum, or what he may or may not want "deep down," he still treated her like crap and rather viciously. I don't remember House ever jerking anyone else around this badly. I don't understand how Cuddy being angry and upset makes her want to kiss him, rather than, oh, slapping him. Which would be much better tension relief. She came off as having self-esteem issues. Yes, you're completely right. Reasons never matter. This show isn't complicated at all -- we can always interpret what happens solely by what we see on the screen. Nothing else -- history, emotions, nothing -- ever plays into it. While you're at it, why don't you question why Cuddy let House into her place in the first place? It can't be because she actually craves his presence, even when she's pissed at him. Or why did House come to see her? If he really was a complete and vicious jerk, he would have left her to hurt alone. Self-esteem issues, that's the way to go.

It doesn't matter why he threw a tantrum, or what he may or may not want "deep down," he still treated her like crap and rather viciously. I don't remember House ever jerking anyone else around this badly. I don't understand how Cuddy being angry and upset makes her want to kiss him, rather than, oh, slapping him. I think it matters very much why House was acting as he did. He's treated everyone like crap, but he's also shown that he cares--that's House. He's said dreadful things to everyone and actually, usually he holds back with Cuddy, as she noted in Finding Judas. I think he was dishing out the crap for more than one reason--he is shaken at the idea that Cuddy's attention will move off him and he really does think she should think seriously about the step she's taking and if she can't take his crap, then she's in for a rough ride in motherhood, because it IS a rough ride for all it's also a wonderful ride. When he realises that Cuddy really is realistically committed and genuinely broken hearted, he accepts her desire for the baby as real and tries his best to comfort her. But that still leaves reason number one standing and that's what they both end up staring in the face: why is he so focused on Cuddy and desire her attention so much? House's "don't know" was so honest--he's not hiding behind his usual deflecting sarcasm. Both House and Cuddy were very raw and open--and I believed the kiss. Not as a comforting thing, but as the emotion both have been hiding behind the teases. House didn't look triumphant or comforting when he stepped back. He looked shaken. He doesn't want to think about what he just revealed.

Am I the only finding House/Cuddy really creepy after tonight? It's like TPTB are writing an abusive relationship and don't realize it. House came off as not respecting Cuddy as a person at all. He just seemed mean-spirited. Cuddy even calls him on it. And she decides to...kiss him? I wouldn't go as far as that, but yes tonight I hated House. Yes I get he wants to have all of Cuddy's attention, but he should have grown out of that stage 40 years ago. Yes I get that he may have concerns about what she's doing, but telling her she'll suck as a mom is not the way to do it and he knows it. He was simply being cruel. Yes he cares about his patients, but bursting into her baby's delivery when she doesn't know if her daughter will live or die is so completely self-absorbed that I'm surprised that he didn't create a black hole that destroyed the hospital on the spot. I get that at the end he checked on her, I get that in his way he was apologizing to her with the kiss, but yep I wanted her to slap him. I hope we get House making it up to her in upcoming episodes.

Yes, you're completely right. Reasons never matter. This show isn't complicated at all -- we can always interpret what happens solely by what we see on the screen. Nothing else -- history, emotions, nothing -- ever plays into it. Oh, sarcasm and talking down to me. Gee, that makes you look so smart. I can do it, too, but I won't. What makes you think I'm not taking history and emotions into consideration? Their history is exactly what is squicking me now. In S1-2, there was mutual respect between House and Cuddy. It disappeared and never returned around S4, except once or twice a season when the writers need a plot device. Their more recent history is seriously lacking, especially Cuddy's missing character development. I see a relationship that, the more I think on it, fits the typical abusive relationship way too easily. And that is creepy.

Oh, sarcasm and talking down to me. Gee, that makes you look so smart. I can do it, too, but I won't. I'm sorry. Honestly. It's just... this is kind of a big night for me, so I look at anything that doesn't immediately agree as, "WTF!" :lol: :roll: I'm sorry. The sarcasm was uncalled for. Obviously, their relationship is something we're going to disagree on for probably forever. You see it as abusive, I see it as the possible start of something a little bit more. YM Does V. Friends?

I saw the way House was acting as sort of 'preparing' Cuddy for the worst, as bad as that sounds. In almost the same way as a pessimist will try to expect not to be happy to guard against bad things happening. I think he was actually afraid for her. That, plus, he didn't want to lose her - her attentions, the routine, etc. I liked this ep. The direction was weird, but I think it gave a good sense of sleepwalking.

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