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March301- 10-15-2008

I just watched the episode and, guys, I'm in tears. What a fantastic episode. I've been getting a bit bored of House, but this changed it all. It was just good from the get-go. Interesting POTW, great dialogue, and I loved the gradual reconciliation. The desire to talk to each other but both too stubborn to say what needed to be said, until the funeral. Wonderful stuff. I also enjoy having a backstory finally! Interesting to know Wilson threw something at the glass and got arrested in Louisiana. *g* And then the parallel of last night's episode, when he threw the bottle into the glass of the church. Just great stuff. However, boo to the fact that I now have MmmBop stuck in my head.

Namaste- 10-15-2008

The one thing I've never understood about Blythe is why she didn't protect House from things like ice baths or no dinner if you were 2 minutes late. Now I have to wonder if allowing John to raise Greg as he saw fit (when he was stationed in a place where the family could be together) was because she felt guilty about the fact that he wasn't really Greg's dad. OK, without getting into details, let me make it clear that I completely understand the family dynamics going on here. (Let's just say that I found out one of my siblings was only a half sibling at my parents' fiftieth anniversary party. Made for an interesting day.) My mother was completely like Blythe. No matter how much she disagreed, her guilt played into always letting my father have the final say. They never discussed it, but what Dad wants, Dad gets. Dad thinks harsher punishment is needed to reel in a recalcitrant 12-year-old? You may not like it, but you go along with it. So you're Blythe. You have this secret guilt. And for all we know, maybe John knew about it but agreed to raise Greg as his own as long as they never spoke of it again. It's the guilt on her part, and the ultimate weapon on his part to destroy everything she's had, her very image -- potentially the love of her son if he ever found out. Now put that all in the context of a military family in the 1960s. I could never hate Blythe, and I could certainly never judge her. We'll be seeing older episodes in a different light now Believe me. After information like that, you see everything in a different light.

LightMyCandle- 10-15-2008

However, boo to the fact that I now have MmmBop stuck in my head. Me too, all day long.

to21be- 10-15-2008

Let me zero in directly on the eulogy. Bear with me. I have never been disappointed by HL's acting on House; not a single second (except for a tiny moment in "Airborne", but let's ignore that). The sob, when it came, was the first time that I thought that he could have done better. It didn't ring true for me. And my mouth hung open, trying to understand how he could have not nailed that scene. And then seconds later I was incredibly relieved to learn, that it was in fact House's acting that didn't convince me and not Hugh's. And House's acting didn't convince Wilson either, that's why got up (the sob made him suspicious, the kiss made him walk up to the coffin). After all, Wilson can read House (most of the time anyway). See the poker game that House didn't want him to participate in. That's why I firmly believe that the sob was not real. Which is not to say that House didn't feel the loss of his Dad at the end. And it's also why I am now even more in awe of HL, who's able to act being not quite 100 % good at acting. Able to convince most, but not all. (I understand that some/a lot/many/few? of you will disagree with this, but that's the way I saw it and it made me happy. :wink: ... Uhm, I'm not saying that any of you, who were convinced it was real, are in any way less observant. It's just different views and all that.)

NightOwl- 10-15-2008

I completely agree with you on that, to21be. It didn't occur to me until I read that, and it makes complete sense. I do think he started out the eulogy being sincere... but by the time he fake-sobbed, I think he started to back off his feelings and put up the wall again, so he could set up going over to his father, kissing him, and taking the DNA. I just realized that 13 didn't introduce House to the patient! Yay! Hey, incidentally, to21be, I know you specialize in House's t-shirts and sneakers, but do you (or anyone else) happen to know the brand of House's jeans (when Cuddy gave him the shot)? I'm a Levi's and Gap jeans girl, so I'm not familiar with all those uppity fashionista brands for jeans. :lol: The label didn't look familiar. I had always assumed he wore Levi's, but that does not look like a Levi's patch. marykir's screencap of the shot

to21be- 10-15-2008

Hey, incidentally, to21be, I know you specialize in House's t-shirts and sneakers, but do you (or anyone else) happen to know the brand of House's jeans (when Cuddy gave him the shot)? Sorry, can't help you with the jeans, NighOwl. But that screen-shot was yummy, thanks for the link and thanks to marykir for snapping it. :D It kind of led me to the website of the underwear company (cough, :blushing:). Based on House's choices in "Skin Deep" and "Top Secret" I would guess that he picked the "No-Show Trunk" from their "Cotton Essentials Collection". Low-rise, body conscious cut. Stylish, sporty design. Shorter legs for comfort and ease of motion. (Sorry, not direct link. It's a flash site.) Uhm.... yeah. What were we talking about, again?

NightOwl- 10-15-2008

Must stop thinking about House's underwear... :oops: So I'm watching the police station scene right now. House: Hey, there were 3,000 people at that convention. You were the one I thought wasn’t boring. That says something. Wilson: It also says something that you lied to me about getting the charges dropped. House: I got a lawyer. He cut a deal. You didn’t call the guy? You have to show up at the arraignment. Everybody knows that. Wilson: Everybody with your misdemeanor experience. Is anyone else wondering what House's pre-Wilson misdemeanors were? :)

Poeia- 10-15-2008

Looking at that lovely MaryKir screencap again, I just realized that House isn't wearing his black belt with the square silver buckle.

Boffle- 10-15-2008

Well, since you forced me to, I took another look. Yes it is a brown belt, I had not noticed. :-)

Ariadne- 10-15-2008

Maybe Wilson was referring to those mysterious charges that Stacy said would cause House trouble getting his medical license renewed in Spin. But that's exactly what I don't like. :lol: I didn't think it was love or hate for House that was driving him away, but a long-forgotten instinct for self-preservation. I was excited about that. More than anything, actually, I was excited at the prospect of seeing House realize and show that he cares and wants and not just needs. :P I'm just hoping--though no longer expecting; I'm taking after HL and RSL and expecting the worst, lol--the reason Wilson gave for leaving will be addressed somehow. I didn't even think that by this episode the "why" was still up in the air. I thought Wilson explained it eloquently in DCE, and all we needed was the "what next?" I believed Wilson's reason for leaving in DCE, that House was self-destructive and a danger to himself and that those who loved him were inevitably hurt by him because that's what we seen over 4 seasons of the show. It was reinforced by House's behaviour after Amber's death. (The "we were never friends" I thought was Wilson's hurt feelings because House was dismissing his pain.) It also made sense in terms of Wilson's relationship with Amber, who taught him to finally feel that he was worth getting what he wanted rather than always trying to make it better for other people. Now suddenly Wilson left because he couldn't bear the thought of losing House. Huh? What happened to all that lovely personal growth Wilson had during season 4. It and Amber were the only things about last season that I enjoyed and now it suddenly doesn't exist any more. Wilson may want House in his life because he's fun and good company but that doesn't negate what he said in DCE, that House is a destructive force for those who care about him. Will Wilson be able to keep a balance or will he fall back into his old enabling ways? You are always your parents' child and old dynamics rear their heads when families get together. It's why so much drama is centered on family occasions. They do in dysfunctional families but in many families, parents realize their children have grown up and both parent and child adjust to the new relationship. House hasn't lived at home for over 30 years, much longer than the time he lived with his parents. Blythe appears to be functioning 40 years in the past. I think House has taken more responsibility than you suggest--Tritter did find out about the forgery and that didn't go anywhere because Tritter was using his position to get personal revenge for a situation he helped create. Cuddy may have lied for him, but the judge knew she did and threw the case out anyway. House was judged and not found wanting. It was a situation House himself created, both by humiliating Tritter and contributing to his vendetta and by doing illegal things (forging Wilson's name and stealing the dead guy's drugs) that enabled Tritter to take him to court. The judge threw out the case because Cuddy lied for him so the prosecution couldn't prove the case. Cameron broke the MRI machine because she couldn't get the information another way; House broke it because it was cooler to shoot a corpse in the head and see what happens rather than holding the bullet in the machine and seeing if the magnet affects it. It's one thing for Blythe to treat House like a small child who needs to be told what to do and is absolved from responsibility for his actions but it's another for his boss to do it too. It was funny to have the cop tell House to go to the funeral and for Cuddy to force him by drugging him into Wilson's car but neither was really appropriate.

Hugh_lover- 10-15-2008

Maybe Wilson was referring to those mysterious charges that Stacy said would cause House trouble getting his medical license renewed in Spin. I was thinking the same thing. With Stacy's comment that a police check for House "would take some explanation" and now Wilson's comment about House's misdemeanor experience, I'd like to know just what House has been up to. I have no doubt it has something to do with disturbing the peace or mischief behaviour. It doesn't surprise me though that House would have something in his past. It did surprise me that Wilson did. But, I loved how all of that played out.

Poeia- 10-15-2008

I thought it was fine for the cop to say it. He was just stating an opinion and he had absolutely no power to make House go. In fact, if he continued to hold Wilson, he would have prevented House's attendance. It was not appropriate for House's boss to drug him so that Wilson could kidnap him and force him to attend. Aside from the legal issues (which tend to be ignored by House anyway), how is whether House attends his father's funeral any of her business? This is the woman who complained that House shouldn't interfere with her dates but she slips him a mickey so he'll go to a funeral for a man he hated? Talk about interfering with his personal life!!!

angelcat2865- 10-16-2008

I think House was wrong about who his biological father is. Obviously Blythe had a one-night stand with an up-and-coming actor just as he got cast on the series Rawhide. I love this theory. 8) Wilson needs to work on dealing with his anger and frustration. If Bones got a resident shrink, the House crew need one even more. I agree they absolutely could use a shrink on this show. Maybe they could get Steven Fry to reprise his role from Bones for that. :)

Cutie Honey- 10-16-2008

I believed Wilson's reason for leaving in DCE, that House was self-destructive and a danger to himself and that those who loved him were inevitably hurt by him because that's what we seen over 4 seasons of the show. It was reinforced by House's behaviour after Amber's death. (The "we were never friends" I thought was Wilson's hurt feelings because House was dismissing his pain.) It also made sense in terms of Wilson's relationship with Amber, who taught him to finally feel that he was worth getting what he wanted rather than always trying to make it better for other people. Now suddenly Wilson left because he couldn't bear the thought of losing House. Huh? What happened to all that lovely personal growth Wilson had during season 4. It and Amber were the only things about last season that I enjoyed and now it suddenly doesn't exist any more. Wilson may want House in his life because he's fun and good company but that doesn't negate what he said in DCE, that House is a destructive force for those who care about him. Will Wilson be able to keep a balance or will he fall back into his old enabling ways? Phew! I'm so glad I'm not the only person who felt this way after watching Birthmarks. While a part of Wilson might have been scared of losing House, that certainly didn't seem like the main reason for his leaving... And I hope that it wasn't the main reason either. What Wilson said in DCE was right - House is a destructive force who ends up hurting everyone around him, and Wilson just enables those problems. (That's how Amber ended up dying after all). Wilson wanted to cut away from that. His and House's friendship was an unhealthy one, which is what I thought Wilson had finally learned after Amber's death. I just hope that "learning" hasn't all been thrown out the window. He might acknowledge that they are friends, but that shouldn't mean they're all buddy-buddy again. House still has his problems. And Wilson was right - House did make it all about himself... He made Wilson out to be the bad guy who left for selfish reasons (i.e. not wanting to lose House). House didn't acknowledge that he is the problem too (the majority of the problem, dare I say). And something in House needs fixing before he falls beck into his rut again. I was looking forward to some future character building (especially on House's behalf) but it looks like everyone is just going to go back to the way they were, which is a shame. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Birthmarks episode. But I felt as though House and Wilson will learn nothing from this.

Boffle- 10-16-2008

You're probably right and that is how life usually is. But then, I do think they learned that they care about their friendship and part of why they care is that they have fun together. I have always hated Wilson's speeches snarking at House self-righteously when House says he knows something that Wilson can't see. At least this time, when House proved it to him he was duly amazed. I don't think House bothered to do the genetic -*test*-('") all those years because he knew he was right. But Wilson's goading him made him get the actual scientific result, and as it turned out, the fact that it didn't fix anything oddly starts to make a difference to him. So I guess all that self-righteous goading has an effect beyond being annoying, it gets House to -*test*-('") his theories and prove that he is not just lucky: he does have a gift. So the dysfunctional stuff has a function. Cool.

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