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Viquey- 09-24-2008

Just like the last scene of last week's ep, I keep watching that House and Wilson scene over and over. I just love it. Their scenes are so... rich. And darling Wilson is so pretty; he looks like a boy in that scene. It's adorable! I'll grant you, I'm a huge Wilson fan. All his scenes grab me--but then again, maybe I've got it backwards. The fact that his character grabs me is why I love him, I'd imagine. But I digress. It's probably because they are, by nature, more emotional, but lately his scenes have grabbed me even more than usual. Robert's acting is phenomenal. He really should have been nominated for an Emmy--and I mean at least. But Hugh still hasn't won, so I have a feeling that a nomination is all I should hope for. LOL. I'm happy for Wilson, despite hurting for him. The hurt's more from the past, which is why I'm happy for him that he's "moving on". I'm glad he's coming back, because I couldn't stand not having him on the show, but I... Well, let's just say I really hope that he has a damn good reason to stay. That something drastically changes. Because if he just folds and comes crawling back to the same old destructive, oddly codependent, borderline abusive, insane downward spiral of a relationship--not quite a "friendship", more of a "what-the-hell-is-this-ship"--then all of this would have been for naught. And my heart would break. So it's selfish, I guess, but I don't think Wilson'd be much better off than I'd be. :lol: Surely, five seasons in, they could stand to let House evolve just a little bit? I mean, he's already practically an entirely different person than he was in season 1, so he wouldn't even be changing, just... un-changing. Maybe now with Hugh in his newfound exec. position (which is totally awesome and I can't wait to see what he'll do with it). Even now, I think, House is still seeing and examining their relationship in a selfish light. "What did Wilson do for me?" and last episode's "I know what works on him" and that whole... stunt, for lack of a better word. I predict--or at least hope--that whatever it is he does to keep Wilson around is something selfless, inspired by an epiphany that it's his selfishness causing most of the problems, and that a true "friendship" or any kind of relationship is more than fulfilling needs, exchanging resources, and providing services. I think he cares a lot about Wilson--a lot--but I don't think he realizes it or would know what to do with it when he does. But at the very least, he could stop with the insults, mockery, and belittling in every exchange! :lol: Heavens, even in this scene; "better oncologists" and the whole thing about sloppy thought processes. I find it so funny, though, how he kind of inadvertently proved Wilson's entire point with all this when he said, basically, that he was allowed to be a manipulative, uncaring ass because they're not friends anymore. I can't remember the exact quote, but I know it was something about hiring investigators, insulting him, and blabbing his secrets. In other words, invading his privacy (by any means necessary), insulting him, and not respecting his wishes or the trust and boundaries in a friendship, or any kind of relationship for that matter. How did he prove Wilson's point? Because he's always done all those things. And now he's saying he can because they're "not friends". Ergo, they've never been friends. :lol: I love the parallels between House and the patient! What a nice answer to last week's patient's parallels with Wilson. Maybe I'm reaching; I don't know if it's deliberate, or anything worth delving into. But it seems like something they'd do. So here's how I see it: House was blind before (before what, I'm not sure; his leg? Wilson? Stacy? Adulthood? Adolescence? No clue. But at some point in time, he was blind. :lol:), but now he thinks he sees, and what he thinks he sees is an ugly, bleary world. Soon, though, he'll get his interpretation repaired and see it for what it is; learn to see the beauty, along with the ugly. And maybe look at Wilson and see just how sad he looks. ;) Overall, I'm loving this arc. The PI seems cute so far, and I have hope that this whole ordeal will turn out well for our boys. I sure hope Wilson's in next weeks ep, though! As I said, I couldn't stand not having him on the show. Even for one episode. :lol: And I'm definitely not looking forward to this rumored two weeks between episodes 3 and 4. :shock: It should be worth the wait, though, right? Right? Hehe. (Yay, second post here!) TL;DR (sorry) -- I'm happy. The PI's cool. The parallels are cool. I adore Wilson. I think and talk and ramble too much. And oh hi, I'm new. :lol:

Namaste- 09-24-2008

I do think that the main difference between this arc and the chasms we saw between House and Wilson in the Tritter arc is that this time they are being forced to consider what their friendship means to them beyond the surface issues. Wilson will be forced to look at House beyond the neediness/enabling level, while House will see what is missing beyond the three issues that Kutner rattled off and the epiphany. If House can find replacements for those elements, but still is missing Wilson, then it's obviously the person and not the physical wants that he are essential to him. What we're starting to see here is a House that is at a loss, and just beginning to define what it is that's really missing. One other quick thought. I haven't had time to do a rewatch, but I found it interesting that when Apple was describing how the world was ugly, so she left architecture and went into teaching math, she pointed to similarities in her global outlook to House's misanthropy in connection to his leg. I think that House's reply, that he hasn't given up yet, is key to understanding what lies beneath the surface -- just like those glimpses of humanity that we see on occasion, that he still has a glimmer of hope despite everything he's seen and experienced. ETA: This link to the AV Club's review and steal a thought from that in which they note that House putting Lucas on retainer to be his "friend" isn't that much different for a guy who pays for sex.

Poeia- 09-24-2008

Maybe the barn restoration is something Wilson would want to do now as part of his going away and moving on. One of his DHA, that he never did for himself because of the wives and staying near House. That would certanly take him away from Princeton. Oddly, it wouldn't really. Princeton is in Mercer County. The next next county to the east is Monmouth . The inland part of Monmouth contains townships likes Colts Neck which are big horse country. It's only about 25-30 miles from Princeton so it's within easy commuting distance from PPTH.

ikilledkenny- 09-24-2008

I don't how I feel about this episode. It wasn't bad (except for maybe the 1234378 disgusting visuals they used) but I couldn't enjoy it. I did like the Cuddy scene, the House/Wilson scene and the Chase scene (nothing special, but JS is so very expressive with his eyes). I actually missed Cameron in this one. Also, It's nice to hear that Foreman is calling Wilson but I never though they were actually close. I could understand the Cuddy and Cameron connections but hearing about Foreman calling him was a bit weird for me.

Poeia- 09-24-2008

Last week Foreman was one of the people who gave Wilson advice about what to do and it was actually pretty good advice -- do whatever is right for you. While I don't think they were especially close, they did have scenes together in the past and I think Foreman's visiting would be motivated by 2 things. Foreman likes to think of himself as a caring, sensitive person (I don't think he is one, YMMV) and he knows that House would not want him to support Wilson in the decision to leave.

Namaste- 09-24-2008

Also, a thought that occurred to me elsewhere ... how appropriate is it that one of Apple's symptoms was that she didn't see the world as it was -- it was "ugly" -- while House is struggling to see the world as it is without Wilson, and is struggling to overcome that new reality, much as Wilson is supposedly trying to see a world without House at the same time (and just now, with his worldview tainted post-Amber, he's seeing his friendship with House solely as "ugly?")

debbiel- 09-24-2008

Also, a thought that occurred to me elsewhere ... how appropriate is it that one of Apple's symptoms was that she didn't see the world as it was -- it was "ugly" -- while House is struggling to see the world as it is without Wilson, and is struggling to overcome that new reality, much as Wilson is supposedly trying to see a world without House at the same time (and just now, with his worldview tainted post-Amber, he's seeing his friendship with House solely as "ugly?") Exactly what I was thinking of. If Wilson put color in House's world, did House do the same for Wilson? Maybe Wilson's seeing the world like Apple did. He can still "see" but it's murky and grey/ black and white. He's not seeing House as he is, a beautiful mess of color, but rather as a distortion of that. I probably need more coffee before I try a post like this, so please dismiss if this makes no sense.

Umbrella- 09-24-2008

Really liked this one, it was up my alley. I love the ones where there's a lot of House being... himself, lot of medical stuff, lot of House-and-team scenes. For some reason it felt a little more exciting and fast-paced than usual. PI guy really was overly irritating at first, but he seemed to grow into the role by the end. Poor House. For such a smart guy, he's really dense on interpersonal relationships. It's like he's thinking this highly diseased relationship is just like any other disease he treats, that if only he gathers enough information all will be well. But knowing that Wilson is now interested in restoring barns(?) isn't going to do him a lick of good. He seems to understand how to apply mental effort but not emotional/personal effort. Trying to pay Wilson to spend time with him was just incredibly sad (but somehow it seems like something that would make sense within that brain of his). Hiring a private investigator was just so much of a House thing to do. Wilson, I don't have much of a complaint this week. This all still seems incredibly cold, BUT if this is what he wants to do, he's doing it the right way. Being firm and clear is much better in the end than being passive-aggressive or stringing House along. So good for him on that. I can't picture what's going to bring them back together again, though. Do I glimpse in the hazy distance a Wilson/Cameron train? (I'm not spoiled, so I'm just speculating on Cameron's many visits sans Chase.) I wouldn't know what to think if such a thing even existed, but the drama it would inevitably create would admittedly be very delicious. It does make sense as well that Chase wouldn't have much contact with Wilson--he never seemed to like Wilson all that much, so I'm glad they're remembering that little detail of their characters. (Someone somewhere else reminded me that Wilson was Rowan's doctor. Ouch. Good enough reason for there to be somewhat of an icy distance on Chase's part.) I'm really liking Cuddy a lot more this season too, it feels like she's picked up some of her old season 1 firmness. I'm sure the medicine wasn't at all accurate, but it seemed to be interesting and believable enough for the average viewer, which is all I ask. :wink:

fffaw- 09-24-2008

IMPORTANT MOD NOTE: People, please remember, if it hasn't aired on the show, IT"S A SPOILER. This includes promos for the upcoming week. Alot of you are commenting about future actions/situations with the PI, Lucas. PLEASE SPOILER TAG. THOSE ARE SPOILERS. It's always a good idea to reacquaint yourself with our very strict spoiler policy if you have any doubts that what you are posting is spoilerific. Post carefully, we've got free range spoilerphobes here, folks. Think of the children! That is all. Thanks!

Umbrella- 09-24-2008

I'm guessing that's directed toward me--really sorry, I'm done. Mod Note: Actually, it was directed at everyone - I had to add at least 4 mod notes and spoiler tags to posts. Don't take it personally. It's just clarifying where we stand on the issue. - Fid

NightOwl- 09-24-2008

The big secret that House knows of Wilson's is the one that could ruin Wilson. One that Wilson didn't tell House but kept from him and that House found out on his own. That Wilson slept and moved in with Grace, a terminally ill patient of his. Uh, thanks, filex, but I think we all remember the incident with Grace. :lol: I was referring to other secrets—secrets that we, the viewers, don't know about. I'm sure Wilson has lots of those.

LaurieIsLush- 09-24-2008

I'd got myself geared up to really dislike the PI, but shock horror i actually liked him....a lot. He bounced well off House :) Patient/s were blah, had the makings to be interesting but i lost interest v.quickly. House/Wilson scene broke my heart...bless him Missed Cam, loved the PI overall i liked the epi, much more than the opener.

March301- 09-24-2008

I am so pathetic. They shaved off Felicia Day's hair and Dr. Horrible popped into my head: "I love your hair." "What?" "I mean, I love the air." And then I was sad. :( Anyway, I enjoyed her performance. I thought her comments about the world being dull was stupid until House figured out the diagnosis, and then it all made sense. I also loved there seems to be another Evil Nurse in the hospital... Nurse Brenda trains 'em well. *g* Also very interesting is House's change this season. I mean, he's still House, but he's been saying some things to Wilson he wouldn't have said a season ago--"How are you?" Also, the look on his face when he asked POTW how he looked was very poignant.

ikilledkenny- 09-24-2008

Last week Foreman was one of the people who gave Wilson advice about what to do and it was actually pretty good advice -- do whatever is right for you. While I don't think they were especially close, they did have scenes together in the past and I think Foreman's visiting would be motivated by 2 things. Foreman likes to think of himself as a caring, sensitive person (I don't think he is one, YMMV) and he knows that House would not want him to support Wilson in the decision to leave. That's true. I think it's more of the later reason than the former because he didn't seem care that much about Chase or Cameron when they had their own issues to deal it. It's not that Foreman calling Wilson is totally out of the blue, it's just that sometimes I get the feeling that Shore and co. want Foreman to be involved with everything and I just...don't really love it sometimes. :lol: It does make sense as well that Chase wouldn't have much contact with Wilson--he never seemed to like Wilson all that much, so I'm glad they're remembering that little detail of their characters. (Someone somewhere else reminded me that Wilson was Rowan's doctor. Ouch. Good enough reason for there to be somewhat of an icy distance on Chase's part.) Really? I always felt like it was the other way around. But I was pleased the PI didn't mention Chase. I love both characters and I love it when they actually have a scene together but it made sense because they're really not that close. On a totally unrelated note, I was very annoyed when House said you don't need consent for an autopsy. I'm no expert, but I'm sure it IS needed. I know I'm probably being petty and nit-picky here but that one really bothered me.

filex1410- 09-24-2008

Maybe the barn restoration is something Wilson would want to do now as part of his going away and moving on. One of his DHA, that he never did for himself because of the wives and staying near House. That would certanly take him away from Princeton. Oddly, it wouldn't really. Princeton is in Mercer County. The next next county to the east is Monmouth . The inland part of Monmouth contains townships likes Colts Neck which are big horse country. It's only about 25-30 miles from Princeton so it's within easy commuting distance from PPTH. That wasn't my point. Really you can commute fairly easily from any part of central NJ, the Mercer/Monmouth/Ocean county area, all the way into NYC thanks to the NJ Transit train system. I have family in Monmouth county and worked for a summer in Colts Neck, I am familiar with the area, it is lovely to drive thru there passing many of the horse farms when the colts have foaled, seeing them lying in the grass getting sun while the Mares stand over them. The point was it is out of Princeton proper. Stacy only moved to Short Hills and commuted to PPTH but she hadn't seen House in years. Also if Wilson is looking for a barn to restore I'm not sure Colts Neck is the right area, very high end. Even billing at 300 an hour it could be a bit beyond his means. Unless of course he gets back all the borrowed money from House. :wink: ETA, Of course if he was serious about leaving NJ he could also go to Upstate NY, CT or all the way into New England if he liked. I think it is the idea that appeals to him and from that he may be taking some comfort. Uh, thanks, filex, but I think we all remember the incident with Grace. :lol: I was referring to other secrets—secrets that we, the viewers, don't know about. I'm sure Wilson has lots of those. Well some new viewers may not have seen S2. Regardless whatever other secrets Wilson may or may not have, and who doesn't have secrets, I doubt any other would be more devastating to him if House were to reveal it. This particular one could cost Wilson his career.

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